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First Impressions: How to Revise Negative Thought Patterns for Alienated Parents

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you are listening to the Beyond The High Road podcast with Shelby Milford episode number 109 stay tuned welcome to Bey on the high road a podcast dedicated to Healing your heart and life following the grief of alienation I'm your host Shelby Milford a twice certified life coach with an advanced certification and post-traumatic growth and grief using proven Concepts based heavily in neuroscience sence and psychology I developed my own playbook for reintegrating with life and reframing my role as my daughter's mother even while living apart I went from feeling agonized helpless and directionless to feeling energized confident and most importantly at peace today I get to help

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other parents like you to do the same stay tuned hi guys how we doing so today we are going to be talking about something that I want to give credit to another coach fellow coach who went to the same school as me in fact she taught at the school that I went to and her name's Christa it's something that her and I I know we already use just coming from the school that we did and I know you've heard it from me in a different way um but that is for first thoughts she got this idea from this teacher on Tik Tok who teaches fourth graders I think first graders fourth graders fourth graders and I went and found the video just to watch it myself and she teaches them

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about first thoughts something happens outside of you some circumstance happens right and your initial thought that you have the way that she was describing it to these school kids was like sometimes it's not such a nice thought right sometimes it's a judgment a pretty Force judgment and it's what occurs to you knee-jerk reaction in the brain just based on your history and the incidents that have all happened in your life up until today right and you're not bad or wrong for having that initial thought like any thought that occurs to you and I'm sure you've heard me say some iteration of this um throughout our time many times together right on these episodes any thought that occurs to you

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is is okay it's not unacceptable or doesn't make you a bad person you are not your thoughts right but often times the first thought isn't the one that you want to go with right but just because you have it oftentimes we'll judge ourselves for like oh my gosh that was so what's wrong with you why would you think that especially if it's about our own selves or about those that we love first Thoughts with our children I have spoken with so many ill parents parents like you and I that carry so much Shame about their anger or their frustration their judgments that they have about their children they torment themselves as a result of those thoughts merely occurring to them my child is a brat my

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child is turning into the alienating parent my child is selfish my child is disrespectful some of those thoughts you do want to keep I don't know if any of those thoughts are actually going to work work for you long term right they may not want get you to where you want to go but that's what first thoughts are for I gave you the idea the other maybe a couple weeks ago right before the hurricane About Cave thoughts right oh that's just a cave thought no worries first thoughts though I think gives you a more actionable Direction I guess cave thoughts I love that idea and I use it all the time but cave thoughts just allows you to let the thought be which I think is essential sometimes there are

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times where it's a Shamy thought that you've done the work on like you're not worthy or maybe this isn't going to happen for you that you can just be like okay all right I hear you brain that you're saying those things to me but I'm just not going to pay attention to you because we've already done the work on that right does that make sense where first thoughts are like the initial reaction that you have maybe new thoughts maybe not but it's the initial reaction thought that you think often times so subconscious that maybe you think you dismissed the thought but because this is how your brain has been operating for so long you accept it as a fact for instance let's say your kiddo said that

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they were going to call you on Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. and they didn't call you so in your mind at 10:00 a.m. you look at your clock or you maybe you've been waiting for if you're like me you've been waiting for days but probably an hour before hand like make sure you look at your phone make sure you're watching your phone right and when they don't call the immediate thought is the alienator told them not to they must be stressed out by what the alienating parent is doing to them they must be feeling a lot of pressure right now and so in that moment it would be my Temptation I guess it would be my inclination to accept that thought as fact I make that the story about what is

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happening with my kid when in all actuality we don't really know but let's put fact aside for a second whether it's true or not kind of doesn't always matter you know what I'm saying it's is it driving you towards what you want or is it keeping you distant from that so like if I'm thinking oh my kid must be feeling a lot of pressure and that's why she's not calling me um which is purely hypothetic by the way because I haven't spoken with my kid in since last October it's actually been a year I you know what it's actually been a year and about a week but I could think that the alienating parent is putting a lot of pressure on my kid and say that's just my first thought that's just the initial

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reaction thought that thought's not going to drive me to feeling and acting toward what I actually want in life so my second thought could be okay she didn't call now but she will call when she's ready and I will make sure to be there for her because if I accept that first thought into my brain as like fact it might be harder for me to show up in the most loving way whenever if ever she did call right I might feel more um suspecting like I might want to Pro prob on the inside maybe I hide that so I either push too much or don't show up as myself at all and I stay quiet and tense and guarded and that affects our connection right our my idea of how we're connecting anyway you know because

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I'm being careful a better example would be and we talked about this a couple couple months ago a couple few months ago is my kid is acting just like the alienator their carbon copy of the alienating parent right many parents out there I know will make it a fact that kid is only being influenced by the alienating parent so it's inevitable that they're going to turn out just like the alienator that's the only guidance they have is by this narcissist alienating parent so they're just going to repeat history and be just like them they're going to be disrespectful be dismissive and devaluing you and all the things so maybe that's what you think you think they're turning into the

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alienator so that's your first and maybe you've thought it a lot of times but for that instance that's your first thought and when you label it this is just my first thought again it gives you Direction like there can be a revise of this if we want maybe you're not ready for it but it's just my first thought I don't have to go with this and make this fact in my life make bring this on as part of my narrative if I don't want to is this thought moving me toward or away from what I want for my future for how I want to feel today and moving forward and if you already know that it's not then you can go straight into revising to your second thought right and so the second thought might be well

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I know for sure that they are two separate beings the alienator was made by two of their own parents and my child was made half by me and half by the alienating parent that doesn't mean that they're automatically going to turn into the alienator in fact that's impossible so the second thought if I were to simplify it would be my kid isn't actually turning into the alienator now you may like feel about the second thought so you could go back for a third thought or a final draft you can have as many draft thoughts as you want right but the third thought might be something like I know that this is not truly who and what my kid is and it doesn't have to last forever this doesn't have to

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Define our relationship for the entirety of it this isn't the end this is just the middle of our story we're not even at the story arc yet there's so much more lifetime to go in fact if there're still under 18 this is just the first quarter fifth of their life there's so much more life to live for them and for me so cuz often times what we tell ourselves is it's too late if it hasn't changed already it's never going to change especially if your kids are in their 20s or even 30s right it's too late things will never change but I just want to offer this is also a thought that you can revise it will take work because it's so practiced right you don't most often these kinds of thoughts

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you know I'm not worthy things will never change I will never be happy again those kinds of thoughts you have come to believe over a long long period of time you've been collecting evidence to support that very thought belief now right it's not like you intentionally go out and decide that you want to believe that you're not worthy or that you'll never be happy again right it's just that over time you've collected all the evidence and sort of accepted that in as one of the facts of your life but it doesn't mean that you can't change it neuroplasticity you can change these thoughts it's just going to take effort it's going to take you applying using a method the method that I actually teach

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my clients in order to change these default thoughts it doesn't happen overnight so if you think well that sounds so great Shelby I love this idea but how come it's not working for me I have clients that um I'm thinking about one client in particular but that this is the default thought it's not going to work it's not going to work for me maybe it works for everybody else but it won't work for me so of course whether he likes it or not he knows that thought isn't um working for him but because he's already accepted that into his core beliefs that he's Out Of help's Reach then he is going to prove that to be true without even trying his subconscious is already like that's a

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built machine so in order to interrupt that belief he's got to apply a method in order to dismantle that belief system and then intentionally rebuild it right with thoughts that are actually useful to him and the same for you and the same for me that's what I did and it doesn't happen overnight so if you have been listening to the podcast for a while and you're like yeah these all the concepts all sound great but I'm still feeling miserable I feel better than I did and I it's I feel comforted knowing that there's a solution out there but it doesn't seem to be working for me well this is why it's because you can have all of this information and I think it can be a huge help to have all of the

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information that I share and whatever else you're consuming out there there's other information all are good out there but for me anyway until I applied it in a very specific way with the method then I continued to re it kept just coming right back around from me like popping up like whack-a-mole right and so it became very tiring and frustrating and you know not efficient and so of course your core beliefs you end up defaulting to those because it just seems so tiome to apply the new thinking to your everyday life does that make sense basically it just takes you doing the things in a it's a system okay okay so back to First thoughts another thought is the alen eating parent is evil

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they're evil they're dangerous this is one that's usually so many of us stop at that thought and we don't further explore and decide on some revisions we think that by thinking that they're dangerous that this is helping us and keeping us aware but what if you look back at your history or like think that thought right now if this feels true to you how do you show up when you're thinking they're dangerous they're evil they're nefarious usually it has you showing up in a way that you're coming from fear and coming from Fear you're not most of the time you're really you're not going to act in the most um uplevel way right you're working from a different part of your brain that

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doesn't not use your reasoning executive functions so the second thought could be they certainly are acting in ways that I don't like and feel threatening to me but it's possible definitely possible that I could get to a point that those actions don't feel threatening anymore and I know this to be true like true true for me where before some of the actions or things on their part that they would do the alienating parent and his wife I was terrified of what they were going to do based on the emails they would write or knowing just because of History they're pretty predictable right I was constantly feeling threat coming from their Direction because of what they did they haven't changed I

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don't believe that they've changed based on the fact that they're still alienating my kiddo from me they haven't changed at all but I today their actions their intentions don't threaten me the way that they once did so it is possible for you if that's where you want to get to to not enter a stress response every time you say or think they need because in a stress response you're not going to be your best Advocate you're not going to be your child's best Advocate obviously right so there's a there's an uplevel thought that you could think if you wanted to if it's not moving the needle toward where you want to go what's the second thought for you and then what's the maybe there's a third

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thought maybe there's even a fourth thought there for you it's possible that they seem dangerous right now but that's because I'm thinking that they can threaten yada yada y really their actions are only speak volumes about what is happening inside them and their insecurity about whatever's at hand I was talking with somebody um the other day and then I was thinking myself about the alien parents last ditch efforts like for instance right before kids turn 18 you know like that 1718 Mark you think that nothing else can happen and I'm not trying to instill any fear in anybody but oftentimes there is like this last little dig that they will try to do and that dig if you allow it to

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can feel so life altering right but really it is exactly what it is it's the last little dig like read on um one of the Facebook groups I read this a lot where the kid is almost 18 years old and all of a sudden now they want to change their name they're 17 they're about to finish high school and all of a sudden now they want to change their first or their whatever name is tied back to you they want to now change it they want to change the legal status of who's their parent and this all happens right at the cus of right before they graduate high school or whatever and so if that's the case for you you could think of it as God just when I think that they can't

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hurt me anymore oh they turn the knife in and they twist it right but how I think about that this is the alienating parents clear insecurity like they have to get that punishment in again because they're not feeling settled right you don't have to actually make it about you I know it affects you I know it affects you but it affects you as as much as you allow it to affect you if you tell yourself that it's the end of the world that they've done this then of course it's going to feel like the end of the world right I'm not saying you want to feel good about it just know that I'm just saying you could allow it to really like gut you from the inside or you can

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remember that really clearly if they're making these last Stitch efforts that's exactly what they are and clearly the alienating parent is not happy and not that you want to use that to make you happy but you can use that as information and probability knowing the Dynamics of this phenomenon of alienation if all of a sudden it's been super super quiet and then now shit's like stirring up and they're wanting to go back to court or kiddo is now things have been going well with you guys and the relationship seems like it was on the end and boof something blows up out of nowhere you know for sure that it that's because well maybe we don't know for sure but we can pretty much guess

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that that is because alienated parent is feeling not so good about their life maybe they were being distracted before by a new significant other or a new job or whatever and so they didn't have time where this head space to pay attention to what was happening with kiddo right and so during that time you were able to get close to them and all of a sudden things blow up usually we can trace that back to something's going on in alienated parents life where they are needing validation the extra reassurance that they're the only one in kiddo's lives again don't use this information against you and against your situation use it to benefit you not to keep you in a ruminating place all of this right

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right but it's always nice to consider all of the possibilities as opposed to only thinking that this is an attack against you yeah it may be but the attack is happening because the alienating parent likely is not feeling great about themselves so it's really they are feeling attacked because of their own thoughts about themselves you know what I'm saying just perspective about everything and you don't need to make that your truth either that oh the alien and parent feel so bad about themselves that they have to to attack me you could again you could use that information to to really with you and feel unsettled on the inside and like activated and angry or you could

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just use it to explain what you believe to be if it's working to cause you to feel less attacks and less of a personal thing you know what I'm saying then use it that way don't use it to fuel the fire is what I'm saying okay so some other first thoughts that we think I'll never be happy again second thought could be it's possible it's possible that I could be happy again maybe happiness looks different these days maybe like here's where I just start to poke some holes and say like well was I happy before and not also you want to use all the information that you get from me and from all the other people for you to benefit you to move you toward where you want to go don't use the information

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against you because it's only going to keep you in the same spot and maybe even worse feeling worse about your situation right so whatever I offer you like um what I what just made me think about this is like I'll never be happy again and then I was like well was I happy before you could take that and be like oh well maybe I've never been happy maybe I'll never ever be experience happiness I didn't even know what happiness was then I thought I did you know you could go down that path your brain loves that because your survival brain would love for you to do that because keeps you in the spin cycle of not doing anything you want to use it for you so it's possible that I've only

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experienced a slice of the happiness that I will experience a slice of the joy that I will experience coming up that could be your second thought your third thought could be who says I'm not happy right now maybe I'm happy and I could experience joy in this very moment right kind of like what I was just suggesting about experiencing and allowing for all the emotions all at once you know or at at any given time in your life that maybe happiness isn't the true goal right maybe I want to experience more than happiness so maybe I won't just be happy again and maybe What happiness was then was the 2D version right of what my life could be moving forward because even

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though alienation happened and it's felt like the worst thing that ever happened to me maybe this was my portal to open up my entire world yes I will always feel sadness and feel deep grief for missing out on the memories and the the time spent with for me my daughter and for you your children and not you never want to feel good thoughts about that part right you can hold that truth but then also know that this whole situation of alienation was for for me it was definitely I see that as like my portal into this Technicolor like full HD world that I live in today because I don't just experience fleeting moments of Joy Bliss like I did back then now I experience all of the emotions all of

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the textures and it makes it that much more vibrant I've never felt so alive More Alive than I do today after the tragedy of alienation you know so I guess that the final draft of that for me is I'll never be happy again maybe that's okay maybe I'll be more than happy Maybe by experiencing this alienation I have access to so many more emotions so many more degrees and layers and intensities of joy and all of the things you know and I know that you and I have talked about that all right maybe another one I've got written down um okay one that we visited just a few episodes ago my kid hates me right you could make that a truth many of you have that is like a fact in your mind no I

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know it's a fact my kid hates me my kid absolutely hates me but that is not a fact that may be your fact in your brain but that is not a fact that could be proven in a court of law that if aliens came down onto this Earth and you explained my kid hates me how would they know how to judge that they couldn't even if you gave them all the evidence it still is uh very subjective point of view right so if that thought causes you to feel icky inside which nobody wants to really think about and like mle over marinate and roll around in the thought that anybody hates them right so maybe the second thought would be maybe that's what I think right now but who knows who

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knows what's actually going on and the third thought could be no matter how my Kido thinks about me right now I know and how they feel about me I know that I am 100% lovable and 100% worthy and the only reason that it seems like they hate me right now is because of the way that I'm seeing it and if I continue to think and now this is a paragraph a third paragraph but if I continue to think and believe that my kid hates me my subconscious is going to find all the evidence to support how my kid hates me but if I thought maybe my kid loves me maybe your brain will go to work to find all the ways that your kiddo might love you maybe this is love maybe this is

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trust maybe because my kiddo feels you know how they say like it's the greatest compliment when your kid goes over to somebody else's house and they're so like nice to them but when they're home with you they're total disasters right they're like little monsters you know what I'm saying but they're so nice to other people who knows who knows that that's not the case with this situation of alienation of course they feel comfortable being mean or dismissive of you because they know here in their heart that in the end you will always love them and they do love you for that but maybe they're taking a little bit of for granted right now because they're being coerced by

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somebody else so maybe it's possible that my kid is really this is their way of showing love to me and I know I've so much data by the way you guys to prove that this is true you know the chosen parent the authentic parent so my kid hates me is just a first thought another thought another first thought I can't handle this anymore I can't handle this abuse I can't take it right that's a first thought it may have become a belief you may have thought it a lot but maybe you want to revise that maybe you want to the second thought could be it's Poss that I can handle anything that comes my way it's possible but if I'm looking for ways that I can't handle it and how it's hard

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I'm going to be only focused on how it's hard but if I decide to say possible that I'm not this isn't nearly as much as I really could handle and I know that to be true you know it's only a matter of how much pressure we're putting on ourselves it's only the narrative about what you actually are handling because you only actually have to handle what you decide you know it could be that I don't even have to handle this like there's nothing to handle maybe you could decide third thought that there's nothing to handle here child or whoever is being mean to me that's about them so there's nothing that I need to do here about their thoughts feelings actions the only thing that I handle is myself

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so you can handle anything right what's the next move for you of course you can handle anything so the third thought could be I can handle anything that comes my way I know that I already have and I can handle more I know I could handle even more if I'm focusing on what is mine what is actually in my control right I can handle it all it's okay all really handling is is you managing your thoughts your emotions and the actions you take as a result so as long as you're looking at things in a way that is handleable then it's entirely possible that's in your control right but when we think life is out of control it's so um unpredictable life is unpredictable then it's very difficult

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to get a handle on our own thoughts when we think things are flying at us things are coming at me from all directions pressure is coming from everywhere that those are all first thoughts right what's a great second thought there especially when we're talking about like we could do this too like when we're talking about other people and their actions and how they're being rude or not nice or they're being whatever you know they're being those judgment those knee-jerk judgment calls you can have those thoughts but that doesn't mean that those thoughts that you're bad for having those thoughts those thoughts occurring to you or that you need to continue to think the

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thought it's just a thought it could just flow in and out and you could be like I don't love that one for me it's really not creating it's not on brand for where I want to be it's not the tone that I want to continue to take that's all it doesn't mean anything about you so often we want to make all this stuff like oh my gosh if that thought occurred to me then that must mean I'm a bad person must mean I'm you know evil terrible that I'm really up beyond help I'm not fixable there's been too much trauma too much drama too much hurt and pain in my life that I carry that I cannot seem to get through and so that's just who I am for the rest of my life I just want to tell you that that

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is you causing yourself to handle a lot more than you really need to because nothing nothing in life is permanent even in the brain if you don't want it to be there are many thought upgrades that you can perform throughout your day and not the first thought not the second thought not the beliefs that are in you none of those things are forever or need to Define who you are today and what you're able to create moving forward so also first thoughts are a great concept to use if you are wanting to overcome a habit maybe you drink to manage your thoughts and emotions and now it's become such a cause effect thing that you don't know how to stop it so when you get the urge like you get the

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feeling in your stomach and the thought is occurred to you already like let's go to the store and get wine or oh gosh I really need a drink right now whatever however it works for you and it doesn't have to be drinking it could be anything food same thing I need to have that whatever in the fridge extra appetizer right that's a first thought that's all that is it doesn't make you any more or less addicted it doesn't make you any more or less able to overcome it's just a first thought it's a thought that occurred to you because of your habit brain and because of the way you've operated until now you can absolutely revise that thought it's not sacked it doesn't have to continue to rule you

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right you can allow for an urge to come feel the urge and still move on to another thought and not let that thought become the second third fourth and then turn into a belief and your destiny you know the second thought could be maybe I don't need to eat maybe I want that thing now but but I know that future me does not desire that it's possible that I could still go on living and breathing moving through life without consuming that thing that's your good second thought it's possible that I will still live if I do not eat or drink that thing smoke the cigarette possible in fact it's probably even more possible that I will continue to live go on living without doing the thing possible that I

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could improve my health improve my state of mind my state of being by not doing the thing but right now it's just a thought it doesn't mean it's what's going to happen and then your third thought could be it's okay to want that thing I don't have to follow through if I don't want to instead what I really want from that whatever you want to consume is to feel satisfied satiated right to feel loved maybe what I really want is a hug I know that sounds cheesy but honestly a hug can satisfy like if you give into the hug from somebody if some you got to find a good hugger a hug will actually satisfy you much more during an urge than fulfilling the urge because it's really just the and I know

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I got off a little bit on a different subject here but it's really just the building up to doing the urge right to answering the urge that is the Habit part of the brain it's the it's the pursuing it and once you get it there's not like any fireworks or anything it's just usually like a oh okay I got it it's a release right but you can get that same release with a lot of other things get creative okay so that's first thoughts for you it's just a little bit different concept than like I said the cape thoughts or like thought upgrades it's actually like a much more solution focused way simplified solution focused way because I think most of the time what we all do is make those like I've

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been saying is make those first thoughts mean something about our character and who we are or somebody else's character if we're happen to do the judging on somebody else and we try to read into the whole situation that's happening and what their intention is or what your intention is or how up your past is and it gets all like starts going into these deep belief systems but really just feel like well that was just my first thought that was just the first one I can have other ones about this very same thing th this was like the raw thought let's it doesn't mean anything about me doesn't have to mean anything about them there's revisions of the same thought that I want to stick with my

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first thought doesn't have to be the end all be all and usually we don't want to commit to that thought for long term don't let that be the end of the conversation with your yourself so okay I'm hungry I got to go eat that's what I have for you have a lovely day thanks so much for listening today if you like what you're hearing and you'd like to hear more please make sure to click subscribe wherever you're listening or watching also for bite-sized clips and tips be sure to find me on Tik Tok or Instagram see you next week


 

First Impressions: How to Revise Negative Thought Patterns for Alienated Parents

 

Introduction

In navigating the challenging waters of alienation, parents often find themselves caught in a whirlwind of emotions and negative thoughts. These 'first thoughts' can be immediate and reflexive, often stemming from past experiences and ingrained habits. In this post, I want to explore the concept of first thoughts and offer guidance on how alienated parents can begin to approach these thoughts in a more constructive and compassionate manner.

Understanding First Thoughts

The concept of first thoughts originated from Krista, a fellow coach and teacher, who drew inspiration from a creative teaching approach on TikTok. It's the initial reaction you have to an outside circumstance, an automatic thought that often surfaces without conscious effort. These thoughts can be judgmental, harsh, or self-critical, shaped by our history and experiences.

Our first thoughts often aren't what we truly believe or want to hold onto. Yet, they can feel overwhelming and immutable, causing us to judge ourselves harshly. For alienated parents, first thoughts might revolve around feelings of anger, frustration, shame, or even resentment towards their children or the alienating parent.

Revising Negative Thought Patterns

To begin revising these negative thought patterns, it’s essential to recognize that first thoughts are just that—thoughts. They aren't written in stone and don't define who you are. Here’s how you can begin the process of revision:

  1. Acknowledge the First Thought: Allow yourself to note the negative thought without judgment. Understand that having the thought doesn’t make you bad or wrong.

  2. Assess Against Your Goals: Consider if the thought is driving you towards your goals or distancing you from them. For instance, if your first thought is, “My child is becoming just like the alienating parent,” ask yourself if this thought supports the loving connection you desire with your child.

  3. Generate Alternative Thoughts: Develop a second thought that better aligns with your true intentions. Instead of accepting negative first impressions, choose to think: “My child is their own person with influences beyond just the alienating parent.”

  4. Embrace Flexibility: Allow yourself to revise thoughts multiple times. Just like a draft, keep polishing your thoughts until they reflect the belief system that truly supports and uplifts you.

Navigating Challenging Situations

Alienation brings complex scenarios, like when your child doesn’t call as promised. The first thought might blame negative outside influence. Instead, you can reshape this thought by considering, “They didn’t call today but they will when they’re ready, and I will be there for them.” This revised thought allows you to remain open and loving when the opportunity for reconnection arises.

Understanding the Alienating Parent's Actions

Negative thoughts also extend to how you perceive actions of the alienating parent. Sometimes the thought “They’re evil and out to harm us” can arise. Revising this can mean recognizing their actions as a reflection of their insecurity rather than a powerful attack on you. This doesn't change the facts of the situation, but it might ease the intensity of your emotional reaction.

Shifting Lifelong Beliefs

Alienation often cultivates enduring beliefs like “I’ll never be happy again.” By starting from a place of acknowledging this belief and gently shifting to thoughts like, “Happiness can take different forms, and it’s possible I’ve only seen a glimpse of it,” you open the door to new possibilities.

Embrace neuroplasticity—your brain’s ability to change and adapt. While these shifts take effort and conscious intent, they’re entirely possible. With practice, the mind can generate beliefs that feel both true and beneficial.

Conclusion

If you've ever felt stuck or overwhelmed by negative thought patterns as an alienated parent, remember: the initial thoughts are not your destiny. Use them as stepping stones to build new perspectives. This takes practice and patience, but with time you can align your thoughts with the loving future you envision for yourself and your children.

To those embarking on this journey of thought revision, know you're not alone. With every first thought challenged and revised, you're creating a pathway to not just survival, but thriving amidst the challenges of alienation.

 


Episode Transcript

  You are listening to the beyond the high road podcast with Shelby Milford episode number 109 stay tuned.

Hi guys, how are we doing? So today we are going to be talking about. Something that I want to give credit to another coach, fellow coach who went to the same school as me.

In fact, she taught at the school that I went to. and her name's Krista.  it's something that her and I, I know we already use, just coming from school that we did,

and I know you've heard it from me in a different way. Um, but that is first thoughts.

 

,  she got this idea from this, this, this teacher on TikTok who teaches fourth graders, I think.

First graders, fourth graders, fourth graders. and I went and found the video just to watch it myself. and she teaches them about first thoughts.

 Something happens outside of you, some circumstance happens, right? And your initial thought that you have, the way that she was describing it to these school kids was like, Sometimes it's not such a nice thought, right?

Sometimes it's a judgment, a pretty harsh judgment. And it's what occurs to you knee jerk reaction in the brain, just based on your history and the incidents that have all happened in your life up until today, right? And you're not bad or wrong for having that initial thought, like any thought that occurs to you.

And I'm sure you've heard me say some iteration of this. Um, Throughout our time many times together right on these episodes, any thought that occurs to you is is okay it's not unacceptable or Doesn't make you a bad person. You are not your thoughts, right?

But oftentimes the first thought isn't the one that you want to hear To go with, right? , but just because you have it, oftentimes we'll judge ourselves for it, like, Oh my gosh, that was so what's wrong with you.

Why would you think that, especially if it's about our own selves, or about those that we love first thoughts with our children. I have spoken with so many, I've alienated parents, parents like you and I, that carry, so much shame about their anger or their frustration, their judgments that they have about their children.

they torment themselves. as a result of those thoughts merely occurring to them. My child is a brat. My child is turning into the alienating parent. My child is selfish.

My child is, Disrespectful, Some of those thoughts you do want to keep. I don't know if any of those thoughts are actually going to work for you long term, right? They may not get you to where you want to go, but that's what first thoughts are for, I gave you the idea the other, maybe a couple of weeks ago, right before the hurricane about cave thoughts, right?

Oh, that's just a cave thought. No worries. Burst thoughts though, I think gives you a more actionable direction, I guess. cave thoughts. I love that idea and I use it all the time but cave thoughts just Allows you to let the thought be which I think is essential sometimes there are times where it's a shamey thought that you've done the work on like You're not worthy or maybe this isn't going to happen for you that you can just be like, okay.

All right. I hear you brain that you're saying those things to me, but I'm just not going to pay attention to you because we've already done the work on that. Right. Does that make sense? Where first thoughts are like the initial reaction that you have. Maybe new thoughts, maybe not, but

 

it's the initial reaction thought that you think oftentimes so subconscious that maybe you think you dismissed the thought, but because this is how your brain has been operating for so long, you, accept it as a fact. For instance, let's say your kiddo said that they were going to call you on Tuesday at 10 a.

m. and, they didn't call you. So in your mind at 10 a. m. you look at your clock or you maybe you've been waiting for, if you're like me, you've been waiting for days, but probably an hour beforehand, like, make sure you look at your phone, make sure you're watching your phone, right? And when they don't call.

the immediate thought is the alienator told them not to they must be stressed out by what the alienating parent is doing to them. They must be feeling a lot of pressure right now. And so in that moment. it would be my temptation, I guess, it would be my inclination to accept that thought as fact.

I make that story about what is happening with my kid, When, in all actuality, we don't really know. But let's put fact aside for a second. Whether it's true or not kind of doesn't always matter.

You know what I'm saying?

It's, is it driving you

towards what you want or is it keeping you distant from that?

So like, if I'm thinking, oh, my kid must be feeling a lot of pressure and that's why she's not calling me. Um, which is purely hypothetic, by the way, because I haven't spoken with my kid in since last October. It's actually been a year. You know what? It's actually been a year and about a week, but I could think that the alienating parent is putting a lot of pressure on my kid. and say, that's just my first thought. That's just the initial reaction thought thought's not going to drive me to feeling and acting toward what I actually want in life.

So my second thought could be, Okay, she didn't call now, but she will call when she's ready. And I will make sure to be there for her, because if I accept that first thought into my brain as like fact, it might be harder for me to show up in the most loving, way whenever. If ever she did call, right? I might feel more, um, suspecting, like I might wanna probe on the inside. Maybe I hide that,

so I either push too much or don't show up as myself at all. And I stay quiet and tense and guarded. And that, affects our connection, right? Our, my idea of how we're connecting anyway, you know, because I'm being careful.

 

A better example would be, and we talked about this a couple couple months ago a couple few months ago is my kid is acting just like the alienator their carbon copy of the alienating parent. Right. many parents out there, I know, will make it a fact that kid is only being influenced by the alienating parent, so it's inevitable that they're going to turn out just like the alienator.

That's the only guidance they have is, by this narcissist alienating parent. So they're just going to repeat history and be just like them. They're going to be disrespectful, be, dismissive and devaluing you and all the things.

So maybe that's what you think. You think they're turning into the alienator. So that's your first thought. And maybe you've thought it a lot of times, but for that instance, that's your first thought and when you label it, this is just my first thought again, it gives you direction.

Like, there can be a revise of this. If we want. Maybe you're not ready for it, but it's just my first thought. I don't have to go with this and make this fact in my life, make, bring this on as part of my narrative if I don't want to. Is this thought moving me toward or away from what I want for my future?

For how I want to feel today and moving forward, and if you already know that it's not, then you can go straight into revising to your second thought, right? And so the second thought might be, well, I know for sure that they are two separate beings.

The alienator was made by. Two of Their own parents, and my child was made half by me and half by the alienating parent. That doesn't mean that they're automatically going to turn into the alienator. In fact, that's impossible. So the second thought, if I were to simplify it, would be my kid isn't actually turning into the alienator.

Now, you may, like, feel, uh, about the second thought, so you could go back for a third thought, or a final draft, you can have as many draft thoughts as you want, right, but the third thought might be something like

I know that this is not truly who and what my kid is. And it doesn't have to last forever. This doesn't have to define our relationship for the entirety of it.

This isn't the end. This is just the middle of our story. We're not even at the story arc yet. There's so much more lifetime to go. In fact, if they're still under 18, this is just the first quarter fifth of their life, There's so much more life to live for them and for me.

So, because oftentimes what we tell ourselves is it's too late, if it hasn't changed already, it's never going to change, especially if your kids are in their 20s or even 30s, right? It's too late, things will never change. But I just want to offer , this is also a thought that you can revise, it will take work because it's so practiced, right?

You don't most often these kinds of thoughts. I'm not worthy. , things will never change. I will never be happy again. Those kinds of thoughts you have. Come to believe over a long period of time. You've been collecting evidence to support that very thought belief now, right? It's not like you intentionally go out and decide that you want to believe that you're not worthy or that, You'll never be happy again, right?

It's just that over time you've collected all the evidence and sort of accepted that in as one of facts of your life, but it doesn't mean that you can't change it. Neuroplasticity. You can change these thoughts. It's just going to take effort. It's going to take, you applying, using a method method that I actually teach my clients in order to change these default thoughts.

It doesn't happen overnight. So if you think, well, that sounds so great, Shelby, I love this idea, but how come it's not working for me? I have clients that, um, I'm thinking about one client in particular, but, , that this is the default thought. It's not going to work. It's not going to work for me. Maybe it works for everybody else, but it won't work for me.

so of course, whether he likes it or not, he knows that thought isn't. working for him, but because he's already accepted that into his core beliefs, that he's out of help's reach.

Then he is going to prove that to be true without even trying. His subconscious is already like, that's a built machine. So in order to interrupt that belief, he's got to apply A method, in order to dismantle that belief system and then

intentionally. Rebuild it right with thoughts that are actually useful to him and the same for you and the same for me That's what I did and it doesn't happen overnight. So If you have been listening to the podcast for a while and you're like, yeah, these are the concepts all sound great But I'm still feeling miserable , I feel better than I did.

And I it's, I feel comforted knowing that there's a solution out there, but it doesn't seem to be working for me. Well, this is why it's because you can have all of this information and I think it can be a huge help to have all of the information that I share and whatever else you're consuming out there, there's other information. It's also good out there. But me anyway, until I applied it in a very specific way. With the method, then, I continued to re it kept just coming right back around for me, like popping up like guacamole, right? And so it became very tiring and frustrating and, you know, not efficient. And so of course your core beliefs you end up defaulting to those, cause it just seems so tiresome apply the new thinking to your everyday life.

Does that make sense? basically it just takes you doing the things in a it's a system. Okay. Okay. So back to first thoughts.

 Another, , thought is the alienating parent is evil. They're evil. They're dangerous. This is one that's usually so many of us stop at that thought and we don't further explore and decide on some revisions. We think that by thinking that they're dangerous, that this is helping us and keeping us aware.

What, if you look back at your history or like think that thought right now, if this feels true to you, how do you show up when you're thinking they're dangerous, they're evil? They're, nefarious, usually it has you showing up in a way that you're coming from fear.

And coming from fear, you're not, most of the time, really, you're not going to act in the most, um, up leveled way, right? You're working from a different part of your brain that does not use your reasoning, executive functions. So, the second thought could be, certainly are acting in ways that I don't like and feel threatening to me.

But it's possible definitely possible that I could get to a point that those actions don't feel threatening anymore. And I know this to be true. Like, true, true, for me. Where before, some of the actions or things on their part that they would do, the alienating parent and his wife, , I was , terrified of What they were going to do based on the emails they would write or knowing just because of history, they're pretty predictable, right?

I was constantly feeling threat coming from their direction because of what they did. They haven't changed. I don't believe that they've changed based on the fact that they're still alienating my kiddo from me. They haven't changed at all, but I today

their actions, their intentions. Don't threaten me the way that they once did, so it is possible for you if that's where you want to get to, to not enter stress response every time you say or think their name, because in a stress response, you're not going to be your best advocate, you're not going to be your child's best advocate, obviously.

Right. So there's a, there's an up level thought that you could think if you wanted to. If it's not moving the needle toward where you want to go. what's the second thought for you? And then what's the, maybe there's a third thought. Maybe there's even a fourth thought there for you. It's possible that they seem dangerous right now, but that's because I'm thinking that they can threaten yada, yada, yada,

 

really, their actions are only speak volumes about what is happening inside them and their insecurity about whatever's at hand. I was talking with somebody, um, the other day, and then I was thinking myself about, The alienating parents last ditch efforts, like for instance, right before kids turn 18, you know, like that 17, 18 mark, you think that nothing else can happen.

And I'm not trying to instill any fear in anybody, but oftentimes there's like this last little dig that they will try to do. And that dig, if you allow it to, can feel so life altering. Right. But really it is exactly what it is. It's the last little dig. Like I read on one of the Facebook groups. I read this a lot where the kid is almost 18 years old and all of a sudden now they want to change their name.

They're 17. They're about to finish high school. And all of a sudden now they want to change their first or their whatever name tied back to you. They want to now change it. They want to change the legal status of who's their parent. and this all happens right at the cusp of right before they graduate high school or whatever.

And so if that's the case for you, you could think of it as. God, just when I think that they can't hurt me anymore, oh, they turn the knife in and they twist it. Right. But how I think about that this is the alienating parents clear, insecurity, like they have to get that punishment in again, because they're not feeling settled.

Right? You don't have to actually make it about you. I know it affects you. I know it affects you, but it affects you as much as you allow it to affect you. If you tell yourself that it's the end of the world, that they've done this, then of course it's going to feel like the end of the world. Right? I'm not saying you want to feel good about it.

Just know that. I'm just saying you can allow it to really, like, gut you from the inside. Or, you can remember that, really, clearly, if they're making these last ditch efforts, that's exactly what they are. And, clearly, the alienating parent is not happy. And not that you want to use that to make you happy, but you can use that as information and probability, knowing the dynamics of, this phenomenon, Of alienation, if all of a sudden it's been super quiet and then now shit's like stirring up and they're wanting to go back to court, or kiddo is now, things have been going well with you guys and the relationship seems like it was on the mend and boof, something blows up, out of nowhere, you know for sure that it's, Because, well, maybe we don't know for sure, but we can pretty much guess that that is because alienating parent is feeling not so good about their life.

Maybe they were being distracted before by a new significant other or a new job or whatever. And so they didn't really have time or this headspace to pay attention to what was happening with kiddo, right? And so during that time you were able to get close to them and all of a sudden things blow up. Usually we can trace that back to something's going on in alienating parent's life, where they are needing validation, the extra reassurance that they're the only one in kiddo's lives. again, don't use this information against you and against your situation. Use it to benefit you and not to keep you in a ruminating place.

All of this, right? But it's always nice to consider all of the possibilities as opposed to only thinking that this is an attack against you. Yeah, it may be, but the attack is happening because the alienated parent likely is not feeling great about themselves. So it's really, they are feeling attacked because of their own thoughts about themselves.

You know what I'm saying? Just perspective about everything. And you don't need to make that your truth either, that, Oh, the alienating parent feels so bad about themselves that they have to attack me. You could, again, you could use that information to, to really fuck with you and feel unsettled on the inside and like activated and angry.

Or you could just use it to explain what you believe to be, if it's working to cause you to feel, Less attacked and less, of a personal thing. You know what I'm saying? Then use it that way. Don't use it to fuel the fire. That's what I'm saying. Okay?

 

 So some other first thoughts that we think, , I'll never be happy again. Second thought could be, it's possible, It's possible that I could be happy again. Maybe happiness looks different these days. Maybe

like here's where I just start to poke some holes and say like, well, was I happy before? And not also, you want to use All the information that you get from me and from all the other people for you to benefit you to move you toward where you want to go.

Don't use the information against you because it's only going to keep you in the same spot and maybe even worse feeling worse about your situation. Right? So whatever I offer you like, um, What I, what just made me think about this is like, I'll never be happy again. And then I was like, well, was I happy before you could take that and be like, Oh, well maybe I've never been happy.

Maybe I'll never, ever experience happiness. I didn't even know what happiness was then. I thought I did, you know, you could go down that path your brain loves that because your survival brain would love for you to do that because it keeps you in this spin cycle of not doing anything.

You want to use it for you. So it's possible that I've only experienced a slice of the happiness that I will experience. A slice of the joy that I will experience.

Coming up, that could be your second thought. Your third thought could be, who says I'm not happy right now? Maybe, I'm happy and I could experience joy in this very moment, right? Kind of like what I was just suggesting about experiencing and allowing for all the emotions all at once. You know, or at any given time in your life that maybe happiness isn't the true goal, right?

Maybe I want to experience more than happiness. So maybe I won't just be happy again. And maybe what happiness was then was the 2D. Version right of what my life could be moving forward because even though alienation happened and it's felt like the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

Maybe this was my portal to open up my entire world. Yes. I will always feel sadness and feel deep. Grief for missing out on the memories and the time spent with, for me, my daughter and for you, your children and that, you never want to feel good thoughts about that part, right? You can hold that truth, but then also know that this whole situation of alienation was, for me, it was definitely, I see that as like my portal into this technicolor, like, Full HD world that I live in today because I don't just experience fleeting moments of joy, bliss.

like I did back then. Now, I experience all of the emotions, all of the textures, and it makes it that much more vibrant. I've never felt so alive, more alive, than I do today. After. This tragedy of alienation, you know, so

I guess that the final draft of that for me is I'll never be happy again. Maybe that's okay. Maybe I'll be more than happy. Maybe , by experiencing this alienation, I have access to so many more emotions, so many more degrees and intensities Of f joy in all of the things, you know, and I know that you and I have talked about that, All right, maybe another one I've got written down, um, okay, one that we visited just a few episodes ago. My kid hates me, right? You couldn't make that a truth. Many of you have. That is like a fact in your mind. No, I know it's a fact. My kid hates me. My kid absolutely hates me. But that is not a fact. That may be your fact in your brain, but that is not a fact that could be proven in a court of law that if aliens came down onto this earth and you explain My Kid Hates Me, how would they know how to judge that?

They couldn't. Even if you gave them all the evidence, it still is a very subjective point of view. Right? So if that thought causes you to feel icky inside, which nobody wants to really think about, and like mull over marinate and roll around in thought that anybody hates them, right? So maybe the second thought would be, maybe that's what I think right now, but who knows?

Who knows what's actually going on? And the third thought could be,

no matter how my kiddo thinks about me right now, I know, and how they feel about me, I know that I am 100 percent lovable, and 100 percent worthy, and the only reason that it seems like it. They hate me right now is because of the way that I'm seeing it. And if I continue to think, and now this is a paragraph, a third paragraph, but if I continue to think and believe that my kid hates me,

my subconscious is going to find all the evidence to support how my kid hates me. But if I thought maybe my kid loves me, maybe your brain will go to work to find all the ways that your kiddo might love you. Maybe this is love. Maybe this is trust. Maybe because my kiddo feels, you know how they say like, it's the greatest compliment when your kid goes over to somebody else's house and they're so, like, nice to them, but when they're home with you, they're total disasters, right?

They're like, little monsters. You know what I'm saying? But they're so nice to other people. Who knows? Who knows if that's not the case with this situation of alienation? Of course they feel comfortable being mean or dismissive of you because they know. Here in their heart that in the end, you will always love them and they do love you for that, but maybe they're taking a little bit of for granted right now because they're being coerced by somebody else, so maybe it's possible that my kid is really, this is their way of showing love to me and I know I've read so much data by the way, you guys to prove that this is true.

You know, the, chosen parent, the authentic parent. So, my kid hates me is just a 1st thought, another thought, another first thought, I can't handle this anymore. I can't handle this abuse. I can't take it. Right. That's the first thought. It may have become a belief. You may have thought it a lot, but maybe you want to revise that. Maybe you want to, the second thought could be, it's possible that I can handle anything that comes my way.

It's possible. But if I'm looking for ways that I can't handle it, right. And how it's hard. I'm going to be only focused on how it's hard. But if I decide to say possible that I'm not, this isn't. Nearly as much as I really could handle, and I know that to be true, you know, it's only a matter of how much pressure we're putting on ourselves, it's only the narrative about what you actually are handling, because you only actually have to handle what you decide, you know, it could be that I don't even have to handle this, like, there's nothing to handle.

Maybe you could decide, third thought, that. There's nothing to handle here. Child or whoever

is

being mean to me, that's about them. So there's nothing that I need to do here about their thoughts, feelings, actions, The only thing that I handle is myself. So you can handle anything, right?

What's the next move for you? Of course you can handle anything. So

the third thought could be, I can handle anything that comes my way. I know that I already have, and I can handle more. I know I could handle even more if I'm focusing on what is mine, what is actually in my control, right? I can handle it all. It's okay. All really handling is, is you managing your thoughts your emotions and the actions you take as a result.

So as long as you're looking at things in a way that is handleable, then it's entirely possible that's in your control. Right. But when we think life is out of control it's so, um, unpredictable, life is unpredictable, then it's very difficult to get a handle on our own thoughts. . When we think things are flying at us, things are coming at me from all directions.

Pressure is coming from everywhere. Those are all first thoughts. Right? What's a great second thought there? Especially when we're talking about, like, we could do this too, like when we're talking about other people and their actions and how they're being rude or not nice or they're being whatever, you know, they're being.

Those judgment, those knee jerk judgment calls. You can have those thoughts, but that doesn't mean that those thoughts, that you're bad for having those thoughts, those thoughts occurring to you, or that you need to continue to think the thought. It's just a thought. It could just float in and out, and you could be like, Mm, I don't love that one for me.

Because it's really not creating, it's not on brand for where I want to be. it's not the tone that I want to continue to take. That's all. It doesn't mean anything about you.

So often we want to make all this stuff like, Oh my gosh, if that thought occurred to me, then that must mean I'm a bad person. Must mean I'm, you know, evil, terrible. That I'm really fucked up. beyond help. I'm not fixable. There's been too much trauma. Too much drama. Too much , hurt and pain in my life that I carry that I cannot seem to get through.

And so that's just who I am for the rest of my life. I just want to tell you that that is you causing yourself to handle a lot more than you really need to because nothing, nothing in life is permanent, even in the brain, if you don't want it to be. there are many thought upgrades that you can perform throughout your day and , not the first thought, not the second thought, not the beliefs that are in you, none of those things are forever or need to define who you are today and what you're able to create moving forward.

So, also first thoughts are a great concept to use if you are wanting to overcome a habit maybe you drink to Manage your thoughts and emotions. And now it's become such a cause effect thing that you don't know how to stop it. So when you get the urge, like, you get the feeling in your stomach and the thought is occurred to you already. Like, let's go to the store and get wine.

Or. Oh gosh, I really need a drink right now. whatever, However it works for you. And it doesn't have to be drinking. It could be anything food, same thing. I need to have that whatever in the fridge. Extra appetizer, right? That's a first thought. That's all that is.

It doesn't make you any more or less addicted. It doesn't make you any more or less able to overcome. It's just a first thought. It's a thought that occurred to you because of your habit brain. And because of the way you've operated until now.

You can absolutely revise that thought. It's not sacked. It doesn't have to continue to rule you. Right? You can allow for an urge to come. Feel the urge and still move on to another thought and not let that thought become the second, third, fourth, and then turn into a belief and your destiny, you know,

the second thought could be, maybe I don't need to eat. Maybe I want that thing now, but I know that future me does not desire that. It's possible that I could still go on living and breathing, moving through life, without consuming that thing. That's your good second thought.

It's possible that I will still live if I do not eat, eat or drink that thing, smoke the cigarette. It's possible. In fact, It's probably even more possible that I will continue to live, go on living without doing the thing, It's possible that I could improve my health, Improve my state of mind, my state of being by not doing the thing. But right now, it's just a thought. It doesn't mean it's what's going to happen. And then your third thought could be, It's okay to want that thing. I don't have to follow through if I don't want to. Instead what I really want from the whatever you want to consume. Is to feel satisfied. satiated. Right? To feel loved. Maybe what I really want is a hug. I know that sounds cheesy, but honestly, a hug can satisfy. Like if you give into the hug from somebody, and if some of you got to find a good hugger, a hug will actually satisfy you much more.

during an urge than fulfilling the urge because it's really just the and I know I got off a little bit on a different subject here, but it's really just the building up to doing the urge right to answering the urge. That is the habit part of the brain. It's the, it's the pursuing it. And once you get it, there's not like any fireworks or anything.

It's just usually like a, okay, I got it. It's a release. Right? But you can get that same release with a lot of other things. Get creative. okay. So, that's first thoughts for you. It's just a little bit different concept than like I said, the cave thoughts

or like thought upgrades. It's actually like a much more solution focused way piece. Simplified solution focused way because I think most of the time What we all do is make those like i've been saying is make those first thoughts mean something about our character And who we are or somebody else's character if we're having to do the judging on somebody else And we try to read into the whole situation that's happening and what their intention is or what your intention is or how fucked up your past is and It gets all like it starts going into these deep belief systems but really you could just be like Well, that was just my first thought.

That was just the first one. I can have other ones about this very same thing. This was like the raw thought let's, it doesn't mean anything about me. It doesn't have to mean anything about them. There's revisions of the same thought that I want to stick with. My first thought doesn't have to be the end all be all.

And usually we don't want to commit to that thought for long term, . Don't let that be The end of the conversation with yourself, so, okay. I'm hungry. I gotta go eat. That's what I have for you. Have a lovely day.

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